Because outliving your loved ones is considered a win
palk0n2026-01-10 18:48
how else was OP supposed to push the agenda?
ICommentWhenInRome2026-01-10 19:48
I was gonna say Wanda is “dead” as well. But that doesn’t fit their narrative.
Ronenthelich2026-01-10 19:58
Dead(?) given the whole “No Body=Not Dead”
TheReagmaster2026-01-10 18:54
Also the brother thing happened before this
pennygirl1082026-01-10 19:04
More like “loved ones ran away as fast as they could.” White vision ran for the hills at the mere memory of Wanda while Billy actually rehomed himself to a stable and loving family.
No-Investigator-27562026-01-10 19:08
Tommy's not having a good time, though. :(
SharpshootinTearaway2026-01-10 19:41
Not to mention this meme would have stood 5 years ago right after WandaVision, but not anymore, now that Wanda died in Multiverse of Madness, and her whole family came back, or are coming back, in Agatha All Along and Vision Quest.
As far as we know, they're the ones that outlived her.
Konfliction2026-01-10 18:21
I will say other then Wanda one side did get happier endings lol
Ccjfb2026-01-10 18:26
She did achieve her ultimate boss form didn’t she?
iwannalynch2026-01-10 18:27
And I'm sure she'd trade it all to get her kids and husband back
SharpshootinTearaway2026-01-10 19:39
As far as we know now, though, she's the dead one, while her kids and husband are alive, kicking and have outlived her, lmao.
veemonjosh2026-01-10 19:52
Well, as far as we know now, the Vision she married is dead. Vision the White is basically a factory reset.
SharpshootinTearaway2026-01-10 19:56
A factory reset with all the memories of the previous one, though. Paul Bettany said White Vision not only had all the memories of what happened from his birth to his death in Infinity War, but what happened in the Hex too.
So he has some knowledge of his wife and sons and, according to the people who have watched the Vision Quest teaser at the NYCC >!Ultron considers Tommy as Vision's kid upon discovering his existence, and teases him about it.!<.
CommunityDragon1842026-01-10 19:28
I think she still had a lot of power ceiling left tbh
ZekeorSomething2026-01-10 18:23
No one remember the We’ll See guy also.
Ccjfb2026-01-10 18:25
lol right. Needs to be replaced with “Who?”
TerribleGachaLuck2026-01-10 18:34
We’ll see guy should be changed to stuck in legal limbo.
Salty-Coffee46082026-01-10 18:50
They know spider man just not peter
nexus6ca2026-01-10 18:54
No, people forgot Peter Parker, not Spiderman.
pikablu20192026-01-10 19:27
Layfon_Alseif2026-01-10 19:31
Kinda hoping they go the comic way and hulk remembers him
Decent_Illustrator182026-01-10 18:24
The "We'll See" should be updated to "Forgotten."
TrueLegateDamar2026-01-10 18:33
And "Alone"
ZekeorSomething2026-01-10 18:36
And “Poor”
natayaway2026-01-10 18:46
The upcoming arc of Peter working for the Daily Bugle website, where he basically goes around making TikTok roadside interviews is going to be very… interesting.
Antrikshy2026-01-10 20:18
I never considered this possibility. Now I really really want this.
benjals2026-01-10 20:20
God I don't want that. He's a photographer damnit!
LaneMcD2026-01-10 20:31
I'm not a fan either but it's 2026. Unless it's a universe set pre social media, the story needs to adapt. It's why Jimmy Olson is not "a photographer" in Superman 2025. It's not believable in a modern setting
natayaway2026-01-10 23:26
Newspapers don’t have just photographers anymore, they gotta be bonafide journalists too, which Peter is not.
Even if he were into photography, his best career path involving photo/video in the modern era is… a nobody influencer/tech reviewer. Not a newspaper photographer.
RabbitStewAndStout2026-01-10 20:26
Oh no spider mans gonna be a 1st amendment auditor
PappaJerry2026-01-10 19:33
And *far from home*
ZekeorSomething2026-01-10 19:35
But there was *no way home*
veemonjosh2026-01-10 19:41
That's just standard for nearly every Peter Parker, lol.
djseifer2026-01-10 20:25
Almost every version of Peter has been poor. Even when Doc Ock made him rich when he was the Superior Spider-Man, he still ended up poor.
jker1x2026-01-10 19:22
Couldn't find the Thanos gif, but this is close enough right?
Carthonn2026-01-10 19:32
Or “Who??”
SirCaptainReynolds2026-01-10 19:35
Or, “who dat?”
iwannalynch2026-01-10 18:28
Eh, Rhodey's got tech so he's practically as mobile as any other person. Hawkeye also lost partial hearing, and needs hearing aids, so...
aretoodeto2026-01-10 18:36
Good thing he's not Hawkear
LittleDarkHairedOne2026-01-10 19:15
Initial-Paramedic8882026-01-10 19:06
Rhodey’s should say paralyzed/abducted/replaced with skrull
FX1142026-01-10 19:13
Partial hearing loss, a fate worse than death.
iwannalynch2026-01-10 19:36
Hey, they mentioned Rhodey who's a disabled person using technology to improve his life, why not include Hawkeye?
EyeScreamSunday2026-01-10 18:33
Rhodey also got captured by Skrulls and replaced.
Vision has died twice (sort of) and revived without his memories, but Wanda is dead and lost her kids as well now.
Steel_Serpent_Davos2026-01-10 18:51
No he has his memories at the end of wandavision. Wanda isn’t dead, there was a red burst as the temple collapsed showing that she escaped
EyeScreamSunday2026-01-10 18:58
He got his memories, but I was listing the bad things that had happened and presumably Vision grappling with memories that aren't his is a part of what he'll deal with in VisionQuest because he didn't just become old Vision again.
The red burst may give them an out for how they choose to deal with it, but for all intents and purposes, Wanda is dead. Agatha All Along implies that to be the case.
Steel_Serpent_Davos2026-01-10 19:04
It really doesn’t imply that actually. To think the scarlet witch would be killed by a collapsing building is absurd lol she can manipulate reality
MiopTop2026-01-10 20:00
Yeah but she’s kinda shown to allow herself to be killed. The red burst could be her shielding herself or whatever, it could also just be something that happens when she dies.
There’s a similar green burst of energy when Hela gets hit by Surtur’s sword and there’s no indication she isn’t just dead.
TheMobHunter2026-01-10 18:34
Spider-Man won’t die, he needs to be alive so he can suffer some more
MC_chrome2026-01-10 19:03
And now there are an unlimited number of Spidermen/women so I guess that means infinite suffering as well?
Not_Steve2026-01-10 19:58
Suffering is a canon-event! 😌
djseifer2026-01-10 20:26
Just imagine if every version of Spider-Man had their own Paul.
Ronenthelich2026-01-10 19:59
If he dies the suffering ends, he must live to suffer more.
Puinfa2026-01-10 20:14
?? You basically said the same of OOP
WimpBeforeAnchorArms2026-01-10 20:24
Yeah they said the same thing as the person before them ??
HorsNoises2026-01-10 18:36
Scott isn't retired. He's def taking it easy but he's still active.
Orion141592026-01-10 19:03
Writing books and stuff instead of the hero game
CommunityDragon1842026-01-10 19:29
Fun book too lol I have it
Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-10 19:47
Quantumania is literally about him learning to still be a hero despite him finding success outside it
Orion141592026-01-10 20:17
Whoa, you watched Quantumania?
Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-10 22:10
I'll do you one better, I actually *liked* Quantumania
Orion141592026-01-10 22:20
You should do an AMA
Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-10 22:22
I've asked the mods but they blocked me
CanaDoug4202026-01-10 18:37
Wanda should say dead.
SlashOfLife52962026-01-10 18:37
You should already know any side Spider-Man fights on is cursed
Smooth-Mix-43572026-01-10 18:37
It is just tragic that Boseman was going through something a lot worse silently while entertaining us
Grumpiergoat2026-01-10 18:38
Scarlet Witch is dead. Two of Iron Man's team made noble sacrifices. Might as well frame the living as "Let teammates die" in contrast to the sacrifices the others made.
D-Vader72026-01-10 18:41
Well there you go.
Arrrsenal2026-01-10 18:47
"Outlived brother & boyfriend" is a funny way of saying "became a villain and died"
He_Who_Complains2026-01-10 20:21
I prefer “victim of terrible writing and directing in movie”
ChaoticCaptain1772026-01-10 18:47
"We'll see" should be "forgotten"
shwarma_heaven2026-01-10 18:49
Team Cap playing the long game...
Steel_Serpent_Davos2026-01-10 18:50
But vision is alive lol so is wanda
Salty-Coffee46082026-01-10 18:51
Bucky should be “alive but gay” lol
herodotus692026-01-10 18:53
Language!
Ysara2026-01-10 18:55
Scarlet Witch should have been "Can't All Be Winners"
ThunderBird8472026-01-10 19:04
Actually more relevant according to the plot of the movie would be how every one from the Iron Man team actually broke the accords one by one.
Natasha, Tony, Tchalla, Vision, Spidey, and at the end Rhodes too in Infinity War.
pennygirl1082026-01-10 19:05
To be fair team cap has 2 members that turned into mass murders and a 3rd member that advocated for a terrorist. Team iron man was made up of Heroes that save people and sacrifice themselves for others. That’s the difference.
Caciulacdlac2026-01-10 19:12
7 years old meme
Flashy-Telephone32012026-01-10 19:12
I haven't seen civil war yet, thanks for spoiling the ending.
Direct-Gap-48282026-01-10 19:15
Who is that "we'll see" guy?
Educational_Wash71912026-01-10 19:37
Wanda is the only one who is "dead," and without children, family, or husband, she's the only one who unilaterally messed up on Team Cap's side.
TheTenthDoctorIsHere2026-01-10 19:41
This just proves my forever point (in my head) that Captain America sucks. In the first Avengers movie he makes a snarky statement to Stark that he’s basically a bad person who would never make the “suicide play” to save someone else. Yet Tony did in that movie’s conclusion. And in Iron Man 3. And most certainly in Infinity War and End Game. NOT Steve Rogers.
So when I look at those two pictures I see Tony Stark’s Civil War team as being the people who actually put others before themselves and paid the ultimate price. Cap’s side…people who saved themselves while others died. People get googly eyed of Captain America like he’s some perfect embodiment of bravery. He’s not. Tony Stark was.
MiopTop2026-01-10 20:03
Steve was willing to sacrifice himself plenty of times too…
Putting the Valkyrie in the ice, refusing to fight Bucky on the crashing Helicarrier, trying to stop Thanos from getting to Vision, turning to fight Thanos and his entire army by himself…
TheTenthDoctorIsHere2026-01-10 23:59
His one unselfish act was putting himself into the ice. Not fighting Bucky was a selfish act of wanting his friend back. He wasn’t even the person who ultimately deprogrammed Bucky. But Steve somehow gets the hero glow for it. Steve’s betrayal about Bucky is also why Rhodey was paralyzed.
Same with Vision. It was Wanda and Thor who did the most to keep Thanos from Vision. But Steve gets the credit instead?
As for facing Thanos in End Game, they were all toast if Banner hadn’t almost killed himself to reverse The Snap. They all knew it had worked and were pretty much trying to hold Thanos off until everyone arrived.
I’ll ask the question though: did Steve volunteer to do the reverse Snap? Nope. Did Steve die in the end? Nope. Tony sacrificed his life instead. So how is Steve tightening the strap on his shield more important than two heroic acts by Banner and Stark that literally saved interdimensional lives everywhere? It’s not. Steve isn’t the hero but gets the credit out of a warped sense of patriotism and what a hero should look like.
SuninOrJack2026-01-10 20:21
Steve's entire arc is learning to be selfish while Tony's is learning to be selfless.
TheTenthDoctorIsHere2026-01-10 23:42
THANK YOU! You’re correct. Steve becomes selfish very fast and easily with little regard for how it affects others. Prime example is we have Avengers Doomsday coming and have found out that Steve’s selfishness is the reason all universes are collapsing. Tony saved all those universes by giving his own life. Talk about making Tony’s death pointless. Steve is officially worse than Thanos at this point.
Psychoholic5192026-01-10 20:24
Would Tony have done that if he wasn’t called out by Cap tho
TheTenthDoctorIsHere2026-01-10 23:38
Yes, he would have. He came back a changed man in Iron Man. He wanted to help people and protect them. He instantly called for a stop to weapon making and selling in his company. That wasn’t because of Steve. That was the beginning of Tony’s evolution from dumb playboy to a true hero.
He used his fortune to fund The Avengers, fund scholars for the next generation of science, and handed his company over to Pepper. He never wavered in his personal commitment to literally save the world once he made the first true Iron Man suit.
They also showed him genuinely hurt that Steve hid that Bucky killed Tony’s parents. If you go back and really examine the dynamic between these characters, you actually see some reverse evolution/devolution happening.
Steve started out putting himself into ice to save the world in WWII. Once he came back, he increasingly acted in his own interests, not the public’s. Particularly when you look at End Game. He knew going back to be with Peggy was a time travel no-no, but he did it anyway. That was the exact opposite of what Tony did.
It’s fascinating to me that because Steve is “Captain America” people fawn all over him as a patriot and the ultimate hero. He’s really not though. Example in the Hawkeye series, there’s a successful Broadway musical centering on Steve as the hero of NY. In reality, Tony was.
Sorry to ramble on so much. I clearly have a bunch of “I am way too personally invested in the MCU” energy on this topic. 😂😂😂 Thank you for coming to My Random Observations as to Why Tony Stark is More Heroic than Steve Rogers TED Talk. Haha.
Specialist_Tie_8862026-01-10 19:41
Team Ironman took a beating
torlopoff2026-01-10 19:49
Wdym war machine is paralyzed? In the end of civil war he got recovered. Or it was a skrull?
idiot-prodigy2026-01-10 19:50
Paralyzed, kidnapped by skrull, cryo frozen (guessing).
Also.
"We'll see" = Only family dead. All of his friends no longer know him.
ElBorracho20002026-01-10 19:58
Team Cap won in the end lol
MiopTop2026-01-10 19:58
T’Challah died twice in 3 years, but Vision died twice in about 3 minutes lol. And then kinda died a third or arguably fourth time.
Jarvis kinda gets killed by Ultron before being partially rebooted by Tony and is the baseline for Vision.
Vision gets killed by Wanda to destroy the stone, then revived by Thanos reversing time and killed again when Thanos tears the stone out.
And then the fake Vision created by Wanda in the Hex “dies” when she ends the Hex.
Espenipe2026-01-10 20:01
To be fair, Iron man died to save the world.
Widow died to save the world.
Vision died protecting something in order to save the world.
Spiderman basically saved the universe by being forgotten.
Black Panthers case is just unfortunate and sad.
And the other team paralyzed one of them.
If I were to choose the real heroes my choice is obvious
SleestakLightning2026-01-10 20:02
Karma
TheForceWillsMe2026-01-10 20:07
Poor team Iron Man
Shantotto112026-01-10 20:10
They really gave Black Panther the Chaozu Deluxe…
Feenx_Fan2026-01-10 20:20
Paul is going to be in the MCU so I guess you can put chucked next to spidy.
jambo_19832026-01-10 20:24
Don’t f with the Cap
DoubleSmoked-J2026-01-10 20:25
Ant-Man hasn't retired
EMlYASHlROU2026-01-10 20:25
That’s certainly one way to describe how Wanda ended up lmao
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As far as we know, they're the ones that outlived her.
So he has some knowledge of his wife and sons and, according to the people who have watched the Vision Quest teaser at the NYCC >!Ultron considers Tommy as Vision's kid upon discovering his existence, and teases him about it.!<.
Even if he were into photography, his best career path involving photo/video in the modern era is… a nobody influencer/tech reviewer. Not a newspaper photographer.
Vision has died twice (sort of) and revived without his memories, but Wanda is dead and lost her kids as well now.
The red burst may give them an out for how they choose to deal with it, but for all intents and purposes, Wanda is dead. Agatha All Along implies that to be the case.
There’s a similar green burst of energy when Hela gets hit by Surtur’s sword and there’s no indication she isn’t just dead.
Natasha, Tony, Tchalla, Vision, Spidey, and at the end Rhodes too in Infinity War.
So when I look at those two pictures I see Tony Stark’s Civil War team as being the people who actually put others before themselves and paid the ultimate price. Cap’s side…people who saved themselves while others died. People get googly eyed of Captain America like he’s some perfect embodiment of bravery. He’s not. Tony Stark was.
Putting the Valkyrie in the ice, refusing to fight Bucky on the crashing Helicarrier, trying to stop Thanos from getting to Vision, turning to fight Thanos and his entire army by himself…
Same with Vision. It was Wanda and Thor who did the most to keep Thanos from Vision. But Steve gets the credit instead?
As for facing Thanos in End Game, they were all toast if Banner hadn’t almost killed himself to reverse The Snap. They all knew it had worked and were pretty much trying to hold Thanos off until everyone arrived.
I’ll ask the question though: did Steve volunteer to do the reverse Snap? Nope. Did Steve die in the end? Nope. Tony sacrificed his life instead. So how is Steve tightening the strap on his shield more important than two heroic acts by Banner and Stark that literally saved interdimensional lives everywhere? It’s not. Steve isn’t the hero but gets the credit out of a warped sense of patriotism and what a hero should look like.
He used his fortune to fund The Avengers, fund scholars for the next generation of science, and handed his company over to Pepper. He never wavered in his personal commitment to literally save the world once he made the first true Iron Man suit.
They also showed him genuinely hurt that Steve hid that Bucky killed Tony’s parents. If you go back and really examine the dynamic between these characters, you actually see some reverse evolution/devolution happening.
Steve started out putting himself into ice to save the world in WWII. Once he came back, he increasingly acted in his own interests, not the public’s. Particularly when you look at End Game. He knew going back to be with Peggy was a time travel no-no, but he did it anyway. That was the exact opposite of what Tony did.
It’s fascinating to me that because Steve is “Captain America” people fawn all over him as a patriot and the ultimate hero. He’s really not though. Example in the Hawkeye series, there’s a successful Broadway musical centering on Steve as the hero of NY. In reality, Tony was.
Sorry to ramble on so much. I clearly have a bunch of “I am way too personally invested in the MCU” energy on this topic. 😂😂😂 Thank you for coming to My Random Observations as to Why Tony Stark is More Heroic than Steve Rogers TED Talk. Haha.
Also.
"We'll see" = Only family dead. All of his friends no longer know him.
Jarvis kinda gets killed by Ultron before being partially rebooted by Tony and is the baseline for Vision.
Vision gets killed by Wanda to destroy the stone, then revived by Thanos reversing time and killed again when Thanos tears the stone out.
And then the fake Vision created by Wanda in the Hex “dies” when she ends the Hex.
Widow died to save the world.
Vision died protecting something in order to save the world.
Spiderman basically saved the universe by being forgotten.
Black Panthers case is just unfortunate and sad.
And the other team paralyzed one of them.
If I were to choose the real heroes my choice is obvious